Your Education Level

[Wotan]

That's quite disrespectful. :/

And who are you referring to? I hardly see anybody with typing of a first grade level and have it be their fault.

 Disrespectful?
 No.

 Hard Truth?
 Absolutely!

  I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, the very fact that someone, who is borderline functionally illiterate can somehow 'graduate' from their Grade 12 is considered a national disgrace.  My uncle is cataclysmically dyslexic, and they sure as Hell didn't let *HIM* into High School, let alone graduate from it until he could read, write and spell well enough to be employable.
  The fact that our schools have scrapped that idea, as well as the idea of making students repeat grades, all in the name of their so-called 'self esteem' is the sort of thing that is destroying the reputation of the Canadian educational system.  Talk about the 'cure' being worse than the disease! 

[Disel]

Wotan I hate to brake it to you bot I have a foem of deslix and I can spell the words fine it is geting from

my head to my powes it changes some how, and jor reading gois i  reading is fine.

rember that every one is defernt so you have to understand all of it befor you start discrnate lurning

disiblte

[Giri]

Just throwing in my two cents, I agree that the school system sucks. I work my ass off, act proper and show others simple curtsy will the idiots sit around and get life spoon fed to them! Damnable I say! However I respect those that try, have they a true disability or not. ( Even those are given out easily, instead of telling parents thier kid is a lazy jerk,not all cases of  course)

[Nexus]

That's quite disrespectful. :/

And who are you referring to? I hardly see anybody with typing of a first grade level and have it be their fault.

 Disrespectful?
 No.

 Hard Truth?
 Absolutely!

  I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, the very fact that someone, who is borderline functionally illiterate can somehow 'graduate' from their Grade 12 is considered a national disgrace.  My uncle is cataclysmically dyslexic, and they sure as Hell didn't let *HIM* into High School, let alone graduate from it until he could read, write and spell well enough to be employable.
  The fact that our schools have scrapped that idea, as well as the idea of making students repeat grades, all in the name of their so-called 'self esteem' is the sort of thing that is destroying the reputation of the Canadian educational system.  Talk about the 'cure' being worse than the disease! 

 No, you don't quite understand. I don't feel like wasting my time here trying to prove a point that some people won't accept. Bottom line is that what was said could and might have hurt people, which I understand, is disrespect.

[Shnell]

I'm graduating high school next year (yay class of '11!) then I'm moving to Vancouver to work full time for a year, then I'm going to art school... Emily Carr is pretty much my dream school, but there are other schools in the area I'm interested in as well. [:

[Nexus]

I'm graduating high school next year (yay class of '11!) then I'm moving to Vancouver to work full time for a year, then I'm going to art school... Emily Carr is pretty much my dream school, but there are other schools in the area I'm interested in as well. [:

I know somebody with that exact name, just about. 

[KapitanVonWolf]

Juno Beach Academy class of '09, i was On Juno Beach in France june 6th for my grad, and it WAS awsome.

Havent Completed any secondary education yet, Going to Mount Royal University in September to do upgrading, then its off to Carleton In Ottawa, to get a bachelor of humanities. I Want to become a Historian for my Carreer. Heck, maybe one day you might see me on the
History Channel  , I have Connctions in high places (lucky me) well my Parents do, that gives me some Options.

It Took a While but the SCHOOL BOARD didnt defeat me, CBE sucks! And a little more Trainning and i'll rube it in there faces for wanting to
pump full of drugs and leave me in the corner! it just took, lots of extra work to Pass School,

Learning disabilities arnt permanent! and cant be cured from Drugs! A.D.D., Military Disapline beat it, Dyslexia, Year Months & days of training Killed it! (and lots of retyping ) Being to smart for the schools, well i just had to make easy work fun. (English still sucks no matter what, and its a Pain, what other languges break their own RULES!!!)

So look out University, this Wolf Dosnt Back down! And Never Surrenders!!! Fight to the End!   and have fun with it.

[Drewdle]

That's quite disrespectful. :/

And who are you referring to? I hardly see anybody with typing of a first grade level and have it be their fault.

 Disrespectful?
 No.

 Hard Truth?
 Absolutely!

  I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, the very fact that someone, who is borderline functionally illiterate can somehow 'graduate' from their Grade 12 is considered a national disgrace.  My uncle is cataclysmically dyslexic, and they sure as Hell didn't let *HIM* into High School, let alone graduate from it until he could read, write and spell well enough to be employable.
  The fact that our schools have scrapped that idea, as well as the idea of making students repeat grades, all in the name of their so-called 'self esteem' is the sort of thing that is destroying the reputation of the Canadian educational system.  Talk about the 'cure' being worse than the disease! 

I hate to rain on everyone's parade here, but Wotan brings up an excellent point, and it's something I struggled with all through high school. I found the reading/writing level of the people I shared my courses with absolutely deplorable. It was so bad we actually had "Advanced" Grade 11 and 12 English courses where everyone with an above 8th Grade comprehension level ended up because we couldn't stand to be stuck in a course where we were spinning our wheels while others were struggling to get by. I had teachers in high school who I had to correct, some multiple times, when they spelled something incorrectly on the blackboard (ironically, mostly math teachers). It was inconceivable to me that I had a college student once confirm with me the spelling of the word "Library".

And these are all people who graduated from secondary school. Some even did so before I did; I actually left in the middle of my last year (some would say "dropped out") for stress and family related issues. However, I went back and completed my Grade 12 English through correspondence. Finished the whole course in three weeks, took all four exams in two days, and left with an 87% final mark.

It may come across as snobbish, but I simply cannot understand why we're willing to let people graduate when they clearly have not learned what is required. And let's be quite clear for a moment; there is a definitive line between a learning disability and simply not caring. The people who put their heart and soul into their work at school and still did poorly I felt for, because I could see them trying. Out of over a hundred kids I took my three years of high school with, I can count the number of people clearly trying on one hand. The rest simply didn't give a damn or didn't have the attention span to spare, and that's not a learning disability, nor is it the fault of the instructor. And yet, these students' lack of engagement is what the rest of us have to dampen down society for. There are reasons why newspapers have to be written at a Grade 8 comprehension level, and it's not because everyone who graduated from high school were stalwart overachievers.

[Drake Wingfire]

Lets not completely turn this into a snobby troll fest now...

Not everyone can be a picture perfect student, and I find it kinda pathetic that we are sinking into this. Even if what is said is "the truth" I still find it rather arrogant. We already got a upper and lower class society, no need to drag that into this conversation as a "im right your wrong" argument.

[Wotan]

No, you don't quite understand. I don't feel like wasting my time here trying to prove a point that some people won't accept. Bottom line is that what was said could and might have hurt people, which I understand, is disrespect.

  Oh, I get it.
  I don't quite understand that you have an unassailable opinion that's above and beyond all questioning and criticism. How very "Gen Y Snowflake" of an attitude!  And apparently the point you are trying to prove is so devastatingly brilliant that it should merely be accepted without questioning or criticism!  How incredibly foolish and presumptuous of me to dare question it!
  Of course, only those who hold superior, enlightened viewpoints believe that everyone else should simply accept them!
  And of course, the doozy of your little screed...

Bottom line is that what was said could and might have hurt people, which I understand, is disrespect.

  Ah, yes.
  I once again find myself butting heads with an idea, which is a cherished cornerstone of the Gen Y worldview: The idea that respect and trust are things, which are OWED to everyone.  It gets right back to the utterly mendacious and fallacious "EXPECT RESPECT" campaign.  Never mind the fact that the word "respect" has changed and diluted so much in its meaning that it's now become a synonym for "courtesy".  You see, older folks like me were taught a little differently.  I was taught that 'respect' and 'courtesy' mean somewhat different things.  'Courtesy' is something, which you do indeed extend to other folks, unless they prove they don't deserve it.  Courtesy includes things like basic politeness and pleasantness.  What it does NOT include is agreeing with everyone's viewpoints without question, or walking on eggshells to avoid 'hurting someone's feelings'. 
  With regards to respect, I was always brought up to believe that respect is something EARNED, and it denotes an entirely different level of politeness and pleasantness.  It also includes things like cherishing the respected person's experience and viewpoints, and actively seeking to engage them on such levels.  Courtesy does not demand that level of reverence, nor does it demand engaging the other person's viewpoints and ideas unless the person extending the courtesy wishes for it to.
 
  I'm sorry, but where I come from, saying something that "might hurt someone's feelings" is not necessarily "disrespectful".  Sometimes ignoring hard truths just to spare someone's delicate feelings is, in fact FAR MORE DISRESPECTFUL, because by doing so, you are pretty much saying that you don't have faith that the person has the intelligence and maturity to argue their own viewpoints, or to subject themselves to any sort of critical analysis.  Guess which is more disrespectful?  Guess which is more snobbish?

  And, to Drake:  I said right at the start of this thread that I am not making the claim that educated folks are somehow "better" than folks whose formal education is lacking.  *THAT* would have been snobbery.  Making a statement that I think it's a disgrace that people who can't properly read and write are allowed to graduate from High School without further, remedial action is *NOT* snobbery.  Also, I hate to break this to you, but the very nature of argumentation is that both sides are going to start from the position of 'I'm right, you're wrong'.  In my experience, the only folks, who decry that fact are those, who believe that they hold positions, which are somehow above and beyond questioning or critical analysis.  You always struck me as more intelligent than that!

And to *BOTH* of you, I wasn't singling anyone out with my previous comment, though a few folks apparently chose to believe that that was the case.  My only reply to that is that 'if the shoe fits...'

 

[Nexus]

Lets not completely turn this into a snobby troll fest now...

This.

[Disel]

can we just stop the childishnes it is heart ful and to what I recall this is not the site for mean heartful things to be sead

[Nexus]

can we just stop the childishnes it is heart ful and to what I recall this is not the site for mean heartful things to be sead

I'm sorry that this all had to come up Disel. I agree there is a level of childishness in here. Only if we could go back on topic.

[Disel]

I will trie to get back on topic

I'ev finshed traid school and I'm working part time in a ato repir shop in 3 more years I go back to whrite my D.O.L exame then I will be a lisent Ato repir tech.

I'm living my live long dream

[Nexus]

Wow! That's really sweet. I'm taking my auto courses right now in high school, even though I'm not mechanically inclined; I thought it would be fun to have under my belt.

Currently working towards some sort of artistic route in high school, though I've slacked on some assignments. :S

[Drake Wingfire]

I think the sole reason Generation Y comes off as "expecting respect instead of earning it" is the fact that we have to walk around every day getting shit upon and having everyone make a million and one Ageist assumptions like we are all morons, we cant drive worth shit and we are simply here to polish the boots of generation X and give undue respect towards people who openly insult us on a daily basis. *cough* elderly *cough* so excuse us if we didn't just "assume the position"   

Frankly, you can think what you want of me, but isn't that simply just contradicting your point about people being presumptuous? 

Education level is one thing, but have you looked around lately, If we could truly follow the rules of "the better educated should get the better life" then yes this world would be a great place, the sad reality is, go to ANY big chain store, you are bound to find men and women in their 20s, fresh out of college proudly holding a degree of any sort with a big smile on their face till the world goes "okay, no go work for Wal-mart, Mc Donalds or a grocery store, work for a manager who was a high-school dropout in HIS time, he will be payed far more than you. and you will be lucky to get the minimum wage scrapings off his boot. Advancement? forget about it!"

I know jobs out there ARE limited and very competitive for some fields but I think that's the biggest disgrace of all, If someone is going to slack in school and drop out then yes they had it coming. But I know FAR more people who have taken post-secondary education in something that's not a BS hang-on-you-wall and gloat diploma that wont serve any purpose. People who dumped so much money and time into education, trying to get somewhere only for people to pass judgment on them either way simply based on their age and who they are. THAT is the biggest Disgrace.

[KapitanVonWolf]

For schools today one word sums it all up! APATHY!

People just need motivation, Take everything you have, and try and not use it for a FULL day, its hard. (The Closest I've been is Survival camp, Pocket Knife, Matches, and Knowledge on how to build a Learn-to for 2 days in the woods) Then you will realise just how important all that stuff is.
My Teachings have shown me allot in life, History has told me that, we are getting soft, and when that happens the Civilization crumbles. Buddhism has taught me that NOTHING is permanent and that all things have an end, so enjoy life.

And one more thing, For Anyone Who reads this, and doesn’t do these 5 things already Try please. And we can all live better (I know, cheesy)

Be Honourable in all that you do!
Be Kind to all others, even when they are mean to you.
Never give up!
Stand up for your Beliefs
And treat others with Respect.


And if any of my English is wrong, and you think that You must be good in English to be smart,
Es gibt noch andere Sprachen gibt und wir konnten nur sprechen sie stattdessen.
Il ya des langues d'autres là-bas et nous pourrions parler en leur lieu.
Есть и другие Языки там, и мы могли бы говорить только в них вместо.
Ci sono altre lingue là fuori e noi potremmo solo parlare in loro posto.
There are other Languages out there and we could just speak in them instead.

(I actually only know English & German (German is a bit Rusty ), so… the other ones are just translations )

Back to the Subject
And a Quick question, Has anyone been to Carleton University in Ottawa? Planing on going, whem my grades are better. Would like to know how it is. I Planning on taking a bachelor of humanities.

[wolffers]

kaptain it been few years, but the campus is chill as are the people

[bloodredruby]

I'll throw another question out there to try and help turn the tide back to gentler waters.

If you could go to school and study anything you wished to, with no tuitions, no heavy expectations, and a small class size, what would it be?

For me, it would be language and literature. I would love to study the written word more than anything else on this planet, and other languages as an extention of that, to better my understanding of our terminology and the roots of our language.

[Drake Wingfire]

I would have to say Automotive courses, I took a LOT of art back in highschool and while it was fun, easy and helped teach me a few things to get me on the right foot with my art, it really wasn't a life-long-skill course in my eyes, now if I could take something like metal working and wood working, hell that would have been awesome! With courses like that you really do get that essential "hands on" experience.

Society these days has really lost touch with that if you ask me, we favor paper certificates for almost everything when in some cases its really just an annoying hindrance rather than a benefit, I have known Computer programmers, 3D artists/ animators, guys who even outright fix up their own cars, none of them which have ever taken a course, and yet they just have that nack for it, heck even I was a Computer Technician at a place before they had layoffs, I actually got in at that place on my nack alone, no A+ certificate and there was almost nothing I couldn't do when it came to troubleshooting, system repair/building and software troubleshooting.

Society just doesn't value true skill and passion like it use to (at least from what I always hear older people say when they get on about "the good ol days")