Seamus: Too true.
Fenris, I have no problem with you, but in all honesty, you don't know what's going on. You've taken a personal vendetta with Ben and thrown around accusations when you don't have a clue what actually took place last night, and up until this point. Ben isn't some big, bad jerk out to get everyone, as some people seem to think. That whole idea started a long time ago when a few people got warned or banned for behaving badly on the forum, and a small crew took off to make their own forum (Furf, which eventualy changed hands to Fur4u when the other forum got scrambled). He just keeps the forum free of bullshit, and when something's not right, he'll call you on it. There's no rivalry going on (at least not from Ben's or the other staff's perspectives, and not from the members that I've seen); people are clever enough to make their own decisions. If someone doesn't want to be here, they just won't be, period. It's simply that when people start saying things about a board that aren't true, or bashing a board for the sake of bringing it's name down, things get ugly and there's no reason for such rediculous behavior.
I at first thought the whole issue was an ovvereaction at Shewolf having a false character (I could care less; many people have two (Or three, in Shewolf's case (Meischa/Wahini), including myself at some point with Sigma), but when I went over there to check it out and actually SAW the bashing of furry.ca, I was quite surprised, and I said something about it on the thread on fur4u along the lines of "I'm quite surprised to see something like this; I have no problems with a false character but I didn't imagine you were ACTUALLY bashing furry.ca". Seamus saw my post, as did Tibby and many others before it was all deleted a few hours later. But I'll tell you, the bullshit storm that erupted soon after was enough to make many of us cringe.
Ben and I had been talking throughout this ordeal over MSN, as were Tibby and I, and Shewolf and I, and Seamus and I, as well as others. Seamus, Ben, and myself couldn't believe the crap that was going on, and we basically sat shaking our heads at it all. (And I appreciate the kind words in defence, mates. The convo Tibarus and I had was appalling at the crap he accused me of. (I did save it).
Others came up to me afterwards and expressed their disbelief. It is, quite simply, rediculous. Ben's not in the wrong for making a post about it; the lie was exposed for good reason (to stop this bashing crap), and people are upset that Shewolf could possibly do something to decieve them. Some, in fact, so much so that they'll defend the whole lie to the bitter end in order to save themselves some skin.
But this wall of stubborness is making a Liger that is well respected by all furs here out to be a bit of a brute, Ban me if you feel that I'm not in my right to say so.
See the prejudgement, here?
I know nothing other than what i have read
That's my point. Do think about what you're saying before deciding Ben is a Big Bad Liger, here. It's not about 'Shewolf vs Benjamin', it's about this Wahini crap becoming exposed because it's been taken too far.
It is one thing to expose a lie... it is another thing to carry it on like he has
The only reason it seems to be carrying on is because people keep saying things like:
I have had enough with your bullshit Ben... fucking ban me. Be it on your head if your site dwindles because of your own words...
He could've exposed the lie in a better way.
.. The lie was exposed. There's not much of a better way to do it than that. If you wanted it to be sugar-coated to protect feelings, isn't that just adding more lies?
I had no reason to bash that site until the people there started attacking this site and especially it's users. In fact, I'm hardly bashing them even now. I'm just telling them that they need to stop what they're doing, because they're lying to their own friends. They're spreading lies and drama all over the fandom as far as they can reach, going to other forums with it. Who needs it? Nobody needs it.
I suggest people re-read this whole thread with a logical, clear head, and see what they come up with.
I havn't seen anything close to "Fur4u sucks, don't go there!" coming from anyone on furry.ca. It's simply not happening. The only reason there's an issue being brought up now is because some people from Fur4u are bashing furry.ca, and there's simply no reason for it. The big issue is that the lies are now causing harm. I had no problems with Shewolf pretending to be Meischa (the wolverine), as she had no problems with me pretending to be Sigma (the dingo) back when I did. It made for some great RP, and she and I discussed them in-depth at times, creating their characters.
Alternate identities aren't that big of a deal; many people have them. It simply becomes a problem when they're used to manipulate people and spread animosity. She was using Wahini to spread the idea that Furry.ca is full of dicks and Benjamin's at fault for it, and I find it appalling that it would go that far. Now it's a big sob story that Wahini's scared and offended at this whole drama, and she won't ever come back to the fandom. Does that even make sense? If she WERE a real person, she'd have no reason to be embarassed about a mistaken identity. It's just another tool to make people feel upset at Ben, because now we've lost this 'precious shy flower' due to Ben exposing Shewolf's lie.
It's rediculous. Shewolf and I have been good friends; she even stayed with me in Kamloops last time she was up. I have no hard feelings, I just think it's all very silly. If you're straight-up and honest, you'll do fine, but if you sneak around behind people's backs attempting to manipulate, eventually it blows up in your face.
Ugh.
-Sephren
